Curse

Loli Krasivaya · Feb 05, 2008, 12:00 AM // 00:00

LOL that title looks silly.

Anyway, I recently made a thread about monks and h/h and I've decided a) I'm not a fan of smiting and b) in high-pressure situations flagging heroes all over the place can get confusing.

So I made an elementalist. She's currently couped up in Gunnar's Hold until she gets survivor req3, so I had a question about I guess her future :X

I like monking in pugs, it's exhilarating because since many are bad, they always present a challenge. With an e/mo can I still monk in pugs? At 11 heal/prot and 16 energy storage I can run a hybrid build with 95 energy to pull from. That would sacrifice the 36hp or so heal I get from divine favor, but I figured the extra energy and extra heal I can put on my bar because I don't really need energy management would make up for it.

I know this has done before, so I come to the people who have tried it. Can E/Mo be a viable monk (if needed) in nm/hm missions?

Thanks<3

Heavenly Messanger · Feb 05, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

I see where you're coming from, but the fact that an Elementalist can use higher energy cost healing spells (Jameis gaze, heal other, etc.) doesn't make them worth of making it their purpose. An HB monk can easily throw out high-healing low cost spells, with DF as a bonus.

Can an ele monk, tho? Yes, just not as efficiently, imo.

There's my 2 cents.

Shogunshen · Feb 05, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

No. Monks will be superior.

Emu · Feb 05, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

For the most part, I think the E/Mo just won't be as effective as a monk primary. One exception would be multiple target spells (ie: LoD, heal party, healing ring, aegis) where the DF bonus is less relevent because only one character gets the benefit of the extra healing.

Of course this is all contingent upon finding a PUG that will accept an elementalist that isn't following the class'es typical cookie cutter role.

the kurzick eater · Feb 05, 2008, 12:23 AM // 00:23

monks are the best healer for a reason, but i've seen tons of e/mo posing as healers (especially in RA). the problem with this is, a monk can out-heal any e/mo, and if they are good monks, they can keep all the energy they will need.

but if you would like healing on an ele instead of making a monk, i see no real problem with that. just not as efficient is all.

Trylo · Feb 05, 2008, 12:24 AM // 00:24

go /rit.

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Ensign · Feb 05, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

You can't replace a Monk. You can supplement a Monk fairly well with some party-wide effects like Aegis, Extinguish, and Heal Party.

Energy Storage is not energy management. Take Ether Prodigy, Glyph of Lesser Energy, or something else along those lines.

Coloneh · Feb 05, 2008, 12:27 AM // 00:27

no.

extra base energy is NOT energy management.

Loli Krasivaya · Feb 05, 2008, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Looks like I'll keep monking on my monk and nuking/warding on my ele

I just hate leaving keeping squishy-npcs alive in another person's hands lol

Coloneh · Feb 05, 2008, 12:30 AM // 00:30

then play a rit healer or N/Rt healer...

Loli Krasivaya · Feb 05, 2008, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Do you have an E/Rt healing build you'd be willing to share?

I just got Factions last night and I'm not too familiar with rits yet

Shyft the Pyro · Feb 05, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

You can't replace a Monk.

My multiple stints monking in UW, FoW, and other areas would seem to indicate otherwise

Of course an elementalist isn't going to be as powerful a healer as a primary monk. What lets the elementalist hang anywhere near the monk in terms of damage recovery is this:

[skill]Ether Prodigy[/skill]

By spamming the right high-cost skills - some of which are more powerful than low-cost skills by design - the elementalist is able to make up for the loss of Divine Favor. No, you'll never be able to replicate a single well-placed Word of Healing, but you'll definitely keep your team alive. Just remember to start healing as soon as even a sliver of health goes missing from their bars

Of course, the above stands only for PvE. In PvP, you should be ready to get raped even harder than a monk normally does. The only place you might be able to "monk" with an elementalist is probably RA, where the enemy teams only ask "Where are the heals coming from?" after they're down on the ground

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loli Krasivaya

Do you have an E/Rt healing build you'd be willing to share?

I don't, but I'd guess it centers around Vengeful Weapon, Weapon of Warding, Mend Body and Soul, Wielder's Boon, Spirit Light, and similar skills. Again, I would suggest Ether Prodigy over all other elites because it would let you spam the skills, which would make up for the reduced healing due to lack of access to runes.

On an unrelated note, would your character still be "beautiful jailbait" if Gwen has managed to transcend that status since the Searing?

Celestial_Kitsune · Feb 05, 2008, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Sure, I run Me/Mo heal/prot hybrid on all-mesmer meetings all the time. Good pre-protting can mitigate significant amount of damage, and PS is effective even at low stats. Anything is "viable" in PvE.

DRGN · Feb 05, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

As Ensign said, E-Storage =/= energy management. Once you hit 0 energy, you're as screwed as any monk primary(actually, more screwed since you don't have the efficiency of 5e heals with Divine Favor).

As for E/Rt, the only time I've ever done restoration magic on an ele is WoW + Wielder's Boon on a Mind Blast/Rodgort's in Aspenwood or some random place like that. It works fairly well if you can deal with the target switching a lot. But as a full out healer? I'd rather just take an N/Rt for SoLS + Soul Reaping.

JDRyder · Feb 05, 2008, 02:13 AM // 02:13

its been done before but the DF make for a better healing. back when it was being done boon prot owned it. and ele/monk is not needed for pve or pvp cause you do not need that much energy if you dont suck at monking and the DF bonus make heals a lot better

as for the mesmer/monk wtf? why? [skill]reversal of fortune[/skill] owns mes/monk no need for FC or w/e

Div · Feb 05, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

The bigger question is, why don't you just play your monk if you feel like monking in PUGs. I thought the whole point of you making an ele is because smiting sucks and you want a damage character that you can H/H with. :S

Loli Krasivaya · Feb 05, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Celestial Kitsune was pointing out that she Me/Mo monked in ALL-MESMER groups and it worked out. There shouldn't be much wtf there. ^^

Yes, I made the ele to ease h/h frustration, but my main concern is leaving crucial heal bonuses (ie: D'alessio seaboard bonus (I think that's the one where we find the chosen), some desert bonuses etc) to heroes, henchies, or bad monks.

I just want the prot/guardian titles on my ele too

I actually figured out the best solution to my problem: I just need to find a good, active PVE guild ^_^

Cherng Butter · Feb 05, 2008, 05:06 AM // 05:06

[skill]Master of Magic[/skill]

Throw in some [skill]Mend Body and Soul[/skill] [skill]Spirit Light[/skill] [skill]Weapon of Warding[/skill], or maybe go support smiter with [skill]Zealot's Fire[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill]?

Antithesis · Feb 05, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

You can't replace a Monk. You can supplement a Monk fairly well with some party-wide effects like Aegis, Extinguish, and Heal Party.

Energy Storage is not energy management. Take Ether Prodigy, Glyph of Lesser Energy, or something else along those lines.

You could drop Aegis, Extinguish and Heal Party onto a Mind Blast / Rodgort's spammer and be useful for both damage and defense. I'd feel dirty playing that bar and would rather fill it with wards than Mo skills.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherng Butter

[skill]Master of Magic[/skill]

Throw in some [skill]Mend Body and Soul[/skill] [skill]Spirit Light[/skill] [skill]Weapon of Warding[/skill], or maybe go support smiter with [skill]Zealot's Fire[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill]?

An E/Mo MoM Smiter is weak at best, an E/Rt is weaker than a N/Rt in the same role (MoM can be stripped, SR is passive energy mgt).

As far as an Ele playing primarily as a Monk, there's little chance you'll find a place in a PuG. I'm sure you could do it with H/H in NM, but no-one would take you over a real Monk.

artay · Feb 05, 2008, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

You can't replace a Monk. You can supplement a Monk fairly well with some party-wide effects like Aegis, Extinguish, and Heal Party.

Energy Storage is not energy management. Take Ether Prodigy, Glyph of Lesser Energy, or something else along those lines.

What he said, we have to ability to bring high energy utility spells.